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we are approaching the fourth of July. One of my favorite holidays. Because of the grand daring of the people who signed a document, which caused a few to be tortured and hung for "treason" because of a simple request to be treated like Englishmen. equally.
I do believe it taught the English a lesson about how you treat the English people of your colonies. Of course...they did treat the natives horribly..but that is a subject for another day.

here is a few lines from a play I like, "1776"
Franklin: If I'm to hear myself called an Englishman, sir, then I assure you I'd prefer I'd remained asleep
Dickinson:What's so terrible about being called an Englishman? The English don't seem to mind
Frankling: Nor would I, were I given the full rights of an Englishman. But to call me on without those rights is like calling an ox a bull-he's thankful for the honor but he'd much rather have restored what's rightfully his.
Dickinson: Fortunatly, Dr. Franklin, the people of these colonies maintain a higher regard for their mother country.
Frankling: Higher, certainly, then she feels for them. Never was such a valuable possession so stupidly and recklessly managed then this entire continent by the Brithish Crown. Our industry discouraged, our resources pillaged=and, worst of all, our very character stifled. We've spawned a new race here -rougher, simpler, more violent, more enterprising, and less refined. We're a new nationality, Mr. Dickinson-we require a new nation.

For God's sake, John, sit down!

Date: 2002-07-01 02:51 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mrhorrible.livejournal.com
1776 is definitely one of my favorite plays. I was always hoping my high school would put on a production of it when I was there. There is one thing the play definitely did for me, it made me think of the founding fathers in the context of human beings and not just writing in a textbook.

Re: For God's sake, John, sit down!

Date: 2002-07-01 02:59 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gfrancie.livejournal.com
yes of course! It made the cause seem more noble and difficult!
you get it!
okay we have to get married!

Re: For God's sake, John, sit down!

Date: 2002-07-01 10:23 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rfjason.livejournal.com
I had to watch a recreation of the founding fathers as an exercise in inter-office cooperation and relations.

That pretty much killed it for me. When John Adams faxed a copy of the Constitution with a Post-It® on it that said "revision" down to Pennsylvania, that definitely killed it for me.

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The only redemption came when Hustler did "Founding Foremothers". That was some good hardcore colonial action.

Re: For God's sake, John, sit down!

Date: 2002-07-01 01:02 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rfjason.livejournal.com
Now you understand the paradigm of my existence: why, when it's so depressing?

Re: For God's sake, John, sit down!

Date: 2002-07-01 12:33 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mrhorrible.livejournal.com
I can't believe people get paid to make such sadistic videos. Damn corporate training video production industry! *waves an angry fist*

Re: For God's sake, John, sit down!

Date: 2002-07-01 01:08 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rfjason.livejournal.com
Yes, when will the madness stop?
From: [identity profile] gfrancie.livejournal.com
many respected actors have gotten their start doing that sort of thing.
oh the shame of it all.

Date: 2002-07-01 04:23 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ekdogg.livejournal.com
I made love to an Englishwoman once - actually Welsh. She had tears in her eyes from the great orgasms - so I guess were are better than Englishmen in some ways.

She wore thong underwear too - nice ass.

Date: 2002-07-01 10:17 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rfjason.livejournal.com
You shut up about my mama!

Re:

Date: 2002-07-01 10:41 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ekdogg.livejournal.com
she was my age...too young to be your mama.

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Date: 2002-07-01 11:18 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rfjason.livejournal.com
Are you sayin' my mama's old? C'mere, punk muthafucka!

Well, actually, she is kinda old. When I was four I asked her why her knees had nipples.

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Date: 2002-07-01 11:21 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ekdogg.livejournal.com
I don't understand that last remark - about nipples and knees...but I have never been to "hip"

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Date: 2002-07-01 01:01 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rfjason.livejournal.com
Think gravity.

Date: 2002-07-01 12:16 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gfrancie.livejournal.com
*laughs* I like how you take a subject like the american revolution and relate it to your sex life.

Re:

Date: 2002-07-01 12:53 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ekdogg.livejournal.com
obviously you are not horny enough.

Date: 2002-07-01 02:28 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gfrancie.livejournal.com
yeah maybe. I am, but I really don't feel like shagging anyone I know. I don't particularly feel like shagging anyone new. I want to do my best to keep my list of sexual partners to under twenty.

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Date: 2002-07-01 11:50 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ekdogg.livejournal.com
is that 20 in a 24-hour period?

Date: 2002-07-02 01:42 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gfrancie.livejournal.com
heheh twenty total.

oh well, I think I got the edge off for a bit.

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Date: 2002-07-02 11:56 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ekdogg.livejournal.com
good girl.

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